05 May 2007 @ 12:20 pm
SG-1 10.14 -- "The Shroud"  
I'm ambivalent about this episode. The premise is cool - I liked the idea at its core - but the execution was flat. I wanted to be menaced by Daniel as Prior. I wanted to worry that maybe he really had been turned. Or worry that Merlin was in charge and perhaps he had overestimated his clever-ness. Alas, that was not to be.

Daniel as Prior was all about the cool makeup. Seriously? In close-ups, I should have been more fascinated by the menace than the white mascara he was wearing. I think partially it was the acting -- it felt as if most everyone but Claudia were phoning in the performances though thankfully RDA was better here than he was in the SGA episode -- and partially it was the structure of the episode. Flashbacks rarely work and they break the flow of a story. This felt like an episode that should build up to a "is he? isn't he?" moment. You need momentum to do that.

It would have been a lot scarier to watch Adria try to turn Daniel. Especially if we don't know that Merlin is protecting him. Or if there's some question of whether Merlin is really more cunning and sly than Adria. Then when SG-1 encounters him, we just don't know. A Prior who fails to mention the Ori death threat? Wasn't that a total give away that he wasn't really a Prior?

I was also annoyed by the team's missing several key opportunities to deal a blow to the Ori. Adria was out cold and not protected. Maybe it would be a good idea to kill her right then and there? Oh no, running off was a much better option. *sigh*

You've sent the weapon through and don't know if it worked? Maybe not closing the wormhole after sending the weapon through is a good idea? Or, if for some reason it can't be maintained, why not dial out to somewhere else? Anywhere else! Or, after the weapon has gone through, disengage and blow the gate in exactly the way that was first planned. Very sloppy plotting.

I didn't totally hate it, it just felt like it should have been...more. It was a great idea. Maybe if they'd made it a two parter they'd have had more time to develop it properly without feeling the need to collapse a bunch of the story into flashbacks? It felt like they crammed a lot into the episode at the expense of the story told.

I like Teal'c as Lie Detector. Good use of his experience in judging who's with him and who's mouthing the words -- although I feel kind of like he's becoming a prop. Need to scare someone and get him to talk? Send in Teal'c; fade to black. Need to determine if Daniel is Daniel? Send in Teal'c; fade to black. That said, I like that he gets to be something beyond the brawn. A substantive role would be even better but after 10 years, I think I can give that hope up as doomed.

I liked the S/J scenes. Those who want to ship them can read their isolation together for what they want. Those of us who prefer to see two adult colleagues/friends/teammates can see it the way we want. Some might want more but nobody comes out hating it. And thankfully, RDA seemed more interested in acting in this episode than he did in the SGA one.

Vala stood out because, as I've come to expect, Claudia Black shows up to work and boy can she act. Vala might not be my favorite character but CB is rapidly becoming my favorite actress. When they write Vala as dropping her boundaries, allowing her true emotions to come out, that's when I think I can make myself forget early Vala and just enjoy her. The Daniel/Vala show does both characters an injustice, I think, because it's a breezy cliché and the writers give in to the easy rather than write. If that makes sense. Daniel is a grouch and Vala is an irrepressible sex kitten. *yawn*

Anyhow, this was an episode that had the bones of greatness but it failed to fulfill its potential.
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[identity profile] telepresence.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
I thought the structure of this episode was ill conceived, Could the ending be more anti-climactic and empty feeling? Especially considering this is the episode Daniel comes back.

Invisible, omnipotent enemies you fight offscreen: terrible idea.
Mish: DeeJ -- Blue Eye Corner Crop[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 06:02 pm (UTC)
No kidding! Ho hum. Daniel's back. We found and used the Holy Grail. A bunch of Ori class rings ships have come through the Supergate. Oh well. Hell, even the team seemed strangely flat, despite the fact that they'd made it possible for the Ori to invade the Milky Way full force.

I've never found their idea of a villain to be scary; I couldn't agree more with you.
[identity profile] juliabk.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 05:48 pm (UTC)
While I don't disagree with most of your comments, I gotta say that I still loved the ep. I *adored* the Jack and Daniel scenes mostly because they're what's been missing for me in the show. That relationship (in the gen sense, even ;-) is the core of the show. While I've enjoyed a lot of the post-Jack seasons, it's just not *there*, if that makes any sense.

I definitely agree that this storyline deserved the two parter. We could have dispensed with several other episodes from this season easily to accommodate it. Telling the story in real time would have made Daniel's "What took you guys so long" even better than it was and it would have cast more doubt in the viewer's mind when he showed up to trick Adria.

I loved that everyone on the team, even Jack (he's still 'team' to me ;-), believed in Daniel once they got over their initial suspicion. Everyone but Vala. And even that rang true for her. That said, I detest the sex kitten routine. It's not funny, it's not sexy and it only serves to cheapen the character. It makes her come across as more stalker than interested party. CB does a terrific job with the material she's given, but once again we're shown the the writers have no clue how to write women.

One plot point, though... I got the impression that it was *Daniel* dialing the supergate. Once he returned to normal, he couldn't do that any more. IIRC, they would have needed to be at the gate to dial it. Did they ever say they had devised a way to do it remotely? If so, I've forgotten.
Mish: J/D -- Eyeing each other[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 06:16 pm (UTC)
I can't explain what it is that has changed in the J/D chemistry for me but a lot of their scenes in the last few years feel...forced. The early chemistry they had was nuclear. They played off each other perfectly.

I don't know if it's both of them with pokers up their butts about slash or the fact that the writers started writing the banter rather than the actors ad libbing or my extreme awareness that nobody in the production seemed to be "ok" that some fans interpret the J/D as slash, but whatever the reason the magic seems gone to my eyes. I was glad to see them trying - and they seemed to better capture their timing than I've seen in a long, long time - but it still felt more to me like RDA and MS doing a scene than Jack and Daniel. I wish I could pinpoint what it is that bugged me.

I should say that I WAS happy that they did a nice scene where it was just Jack and Daniel. Again, something for those who like to pair the characters, something for those who prefer to see friendship, nobody's interpretation has to be denied.

I miss Jack, too, but the Jack I miss is classic Jack. Every once in a while, I catch the reruns on SciFi; Seasons 1-3 make me want to shed a tear for classic Jack.

Vala the Sex Kitten would be more interesting to me if it were shown to be a defensive act, one that keeps people at arm's length. An attractive woman who has learned a way to keep men from trying to overpower her. Or, if she really were hypersexual. But Vala the Sex Kitten as Comedy is, as you say, another Annoying Point Showing that the Boys Just Don't Get It.

As for the Supergate, they had to dial it up somehow the first time, no? If it was open to keep the Ori out they had to have a way to dial. I don't think I've missed an episode but perhaps there's something I missed to explain that SGC could only dial out the once and never again? But even that plot point would leave them to carry out Merlin!Daniel's first plan, which was to destroy the Supergate.
[identity profile] juliabk.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 07:05 pm (UTC)
Remember way back when Carter had to be at the gate to dial it? Space suit and all? I don't think they've said anything about doing it any other way. On the other hand, I guess Daniel had to have given them the intel to do it without him, though it's possible someone had to be on the bridge to do that and they'd all gone off to play with Merlin's weapon leaving Daniel to handle it. Um... it is a plot hole, just one that didn't bug me nearly as much as not even attempting to kill Adria when they had the chance. They could have zatted her twice and then been beamed off before they had the chance for the third shot. Having just seen um... the one on Klorel's ship (Serpent's Lair?), Teal'c said two shots kills "most" people. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to think Adria would be someone who could survive the second shot. It would also make her eventual return (cuz you know that's why they left her alive - not much of a spoiler there) more impressive.
Mish: J/D -- Eyeing each other[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 01:25 am (UTC)
I am such a lousy fan. I do remember that now that you've reminded me. OK - they couldn't dial again. Then why disconnect in the first place? Or why not try to destroy the gate? Bad, bad, bad plotting.

It would also make her eventual return (cuz you know that's why they left her alive - not much of a spoiler there) more impressive

Yes, it would have! Like when Apophis reappeared in Hell. THAT was a surprise. To me, at least. :) I wish they'd pay a little more attention to the scripts.
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nialla: Cut[personal profile] nialla on May 5th, 2007 11:12 pm (UTC)
That said, I detest the sex kitten routine. It's not funny, it's not sexy and it only serves to cheapen the character. It makes her come across as more stalker than interested party. CB does a terrific job with the material she's given, but once again we're shown the the writers have no clue how to write women.

That sex kitten routine is the main reason Vala often seems like she's in a different show from the rest of the cast. It might be different if she just did that routine on her "marks" for a con to help SG-1, but she's in that mode 99% of the time and it just grates on my nerves. If I had to work with someone like that and carried around a weapon as part of my job, the temptation would be very high. *g*
Mish: Sam -- Genius[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
Broad humor was not the SG-1 style in the beginning and I'm thinking that's a good thing because they really aren't very good at it. Vala is often played for broad humor (uh, no pun intended) so she sticks out like a sore thumb. It's sad on many levels, not the least of which is that CB is freakin' talented that she CAN do the broad humor and sell it but it's wasted because nobody else can play.

Daniel is too serious and grimace-y in the face of Vala's provocation. Poor Sam apparently had 98% of her sense of humor removed on birth (except when she's teasing Cam about losing his pants -- I LOVED that). Strangely, her over the top character seems to work well with Teal'c's stoicism, but that's because he's being her straight man and we're used to seeing minimal reaction from Teal'c to highly disturbing events.
nialla: Sam and the Writers[personal profile] nialla on May 6th, 2007 02:24 am (UTC)
TPTB might actually be able to write good broad humor, but SG-1 wasn't designed to be that sort of show. It's like taking one of the Law & Order shows and deciding it's going to be a slapstick comedy four seasons in.

Claudia is an awesome actress, and I'd probably love Vala if she was in a show designed for that sort of humor. As it is, I see Vala as a symbol of the greater problems originating from Bridge that meant what I watched the show for was tossed out the window.

Sam always struck me as the kind of person who does have a sense of humor, but probably a very dry one that she couldn't exercise very much considering the influence of the military in her childhood and career. Jacob probably taught her to keep it to herself early in life. Either that or she's one of those people who thinks of the joke five minutes after the opportunity has passed.
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ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 11:20 pm (UTC)
I *adored* the Jack and Daniel scenes mostly because they're what's been missing for me in the show. That relationship (in the gen sense, even ;-) is the core of the show. While I've enjoyed a lot of the post-Jack seasons, it's just not *there*, if that makes any sense.

That makes sense to me. I feel pretty much the same way. I loved season 9, but even then it was still all about Jack and Daniel to me (gen or slash *g*). In my own mind, I knew where Jack was and what he was doing for every episode, ever moment. *g*

I'm rather disconnected from season 10 and not enjoying it all that much.
Mish: J/D -- Eyeing each other[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 01:37 am (UTC)
I'll admit that I was kind of relieved when Jack left because RDA's commitment to making him dumb enough to be mistaken for one of the less luminary potted plants of the SGC was really dragging down my enjoyment. And hey, if it meant getting Cam who started out as a team fanboy I was down with that.

I do still miss Jack but I've been missing Jack years before he actually left. I'm still waiting to discover that the clown traipsing around the SGC was really Loki in disguise and poor Jack has been in suspended animation on a cloaked Asgard ship orbiting Earth.

BUT! The hair ruffle was excellent. :) I did really like that and I'd love to have a Season 11 in which RDA came back more often as competent!Jack and the writers wrote him good, meaty parts.
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 05:39 am (UTC)
I still loved Jack at the time that he left. I did prefer the Jack of the early seasons, too, but I wasn't as disturbed by the changes in him as others were. :-) Any tiny little bits of Jack & Daniel interaction were good for me.

I also really liked Mitchell, though, and still like him.

But...in reality, my SG-1 ended with the end of season 3. *g* Everything after that was different and not really to my liking. If I hadn't already seen the earlier seasons, I would not have become so obsessed with it, and that love and obsession is what carried me through the rest of the seasons. That overwhelming love carried me through and kept me hoping and able to enjoy the good parts now and then, but the show was not very satisfying to watch--I just didn't know it, because I was sure that change was just around the corner with every new episode. *g*

I don't want a season 11 now, though. *g* I wish SG-1 had ended with season 9 or any season before season 10. *g*
nialla: Stargate[personal profile] nialla on May 5th, 2007 10:54 pm (UTC)
I'm ambivalent about this episode. The premise is cool - I liked the idea at its core - but the execution was flat.

I commented to [livejournal.com profile] justalurkr that it felt a bit "paint by numbers" in a sense. It's like TPTB were trying to put in things some fans have asked for, such as J/D banter, but they have no concept of why they were asking, nor what "banter" really means. It was like someone trying to copy a piece of art without seeing it, just being told what it looked like. There was just no real spark, for lack of a better word.

Adria was out cold and not protected. Maybe it would be a good idea to kill her right then and there?

That was rather baffling, wasn't it? Surely they're not saying that Our Heroes just can't kill her because she's "human" or because it's Vala's daughter and not Random Jaffa #12,584?

And I agree about not destroying the gate either. Why did they just sort of sit there and watch the Ori ships come through at the end, instead of trying to destroy the gate? They might not make it in time, but at least they tried, though perhaps TPTB felt that was a repeat of previous storylines. If they did succeed in destroying the Ori, it might mean the Priors wouldn't be able to access what they need to build another one.

But no, we need to have the grande finale for the Ori storyline reserved for the movie, so stupid plot holes exist to "stretch out the suspense."
ext_2780: sg-1 j/d just like that - by lyraeinne[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 11:25 pm (UTC)
but they have no concept of why they were asking, nor what "banter" really means. It was like someone trying to copy a piece of art without seeing it, just being told what it looked like.

*g* You're right, really. I've long since given up on hoping for any truly meaningful scenes on this show--especially not between Jack and Daniel. I still loved their interaction because I've been starved of it for so long. *g*

But this is the show that gave us a flag scene instead of any type of meaningful interaction--not only between Jack and Daniel, but between Daniel and everyone else.

This is the show that gave Daniel memory loss so that his homecoming to the show would be anti-climatic and instead of using that storyline to do anything interesting and meaningful with the characters--the story of how they got used to each other again and re-learned how much they meant to each other--it ignored the entire scenario except for a few brief moments when it was convenient. *g*

So Jack and Daniel in the same place and actually talking to each other? Hair ruffles? *g* I don't care. I'll take it. *g*
Mish: DeeJ --  Nekkid[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 12:29 am (UTC)
gave us a flag scene instead of any type of meaningful interaction--not only between Jack and Daniel, but between Daniel and everyone else.

Hey now, don't you go knocking the flag scene! There was no reason we couldn't have had BOTH the gratuitous nekkid bits AND meaningful interaction. ;-)

I'm SO with you on the amnesia, though. That's actually one of my favorite fanfic cliches because it gives you a chance to strip a character of baggage and get who he is down deep inside. Their just tossing it aside and trotting it out (or conveniently forgetting about it) at will annoyed me to no end. I wanted to see some lingering effects, too, from being ascended. It was a great chance in canon to establish some baseline Daniel.
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 02:45 am (UTC)
Hey now, don't you go knocking the flag scene! There was no reason we couldn't have had BOTH the gratuitous nekkid bits AND meaningful interaction. ;-)

I think that flag scene was indicative of how TPTB of this show just totally did not get it. I loved that scene. *g* I'm just saying... They're view of Daniel at that point was "beefcake for the ladies" or something, and maybe they were even pandering to the slashers a bit; I don't know. Either way, I would have traded it for even one better scene with a little substance--a welcome home for Daniel, some emotion expressed... I thought that whole sequence was pretty poorly done as far as that goes.

You're right that we *could* have had both, but we didn't. I felt the same way about the supposed UST between Jack and Sam and even the whole Jack & Daniel thing. I think the show *could* have had it all, J/S UST for the shippers, a few serious friendship scenes between Jack and Daniel (because I'd prefer that and it's all about me--I'm not the hugest fan of the silly banter), and lots of teaminess and friendship between all. Instead, they felt like they had to push one point of view and squash the others for reasons unknown to mankind. *g*
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nialla: Plot[personal profile] nialla on May 6th, 2007 02:29 am (UTC)
In another fandom, there was a comment made about how some fans seemed to think you had to be grateful for the carrots dangled in front of you and not complain. In my case, I see no problem with being grateful for the carrots, but I can still complain about the brussel sprouts. ;)

I liked seeing Jack and Daniel interacting again just for the sake of it, but it still felt like the spark was missing and it was done by rote. But then I've been missing Jack for years anyway, even when he was still onscreen.
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Mish: Team -- Old Style (anim)[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
it felt a bit "paint by numbers" in a sense

Yes! That's exactly it. It particularly bizarre in light of the writing credit for Wright and Cooper.

That was rather baffling, wasn't it?

And so unnecessary -- it would be enough to see them aim a zat or weapon, fire, and have her little defensive necklace light up and protect her. There are ways to keep her alive if your story needs it but they didn't even bother. It's the little details like that that annoy me to no end because it destroys my ability to suspend my disbelief. Similarly, that the team would be sitting around the supergate, cooling their heels, when they don't know whether the weapon worked or not? Again, I just don't buy it.

I'd be quite happy to end it with the Ori. I've never liked them as an adversary. But then, I never seem to find the new Bridge Villains scary. That's a pretty damning indictment considering what a total wimp I am.
nialla: Stargate[personal profile] nialla on May 6th, 2007 02:37 am (UTC)
It particularly bizarre in light of the writing credit for Wright and Cooper.

I think they've both been watching the clock in a sense, ready to move on to something else, namely getting their foot in the door for the movie industry, which seems to be their dream. And it seems like whether they work really hard and knock one out of the park or they just slack and have plot holes you can fly a puddlejumper through, the ratings stay about the same. So why work so hard and actually get it right?

I'd be quite happy to end it with the Ori. I've never liked them as an adversary.

Unseen enemies aren't all that scary, except in scenarios where not seeing them leaves you wondering when you will and what they will do. It doesn't work in the long term. Our Heroes can't react directly to them if they're not onscreen. TPTB had the Priors being the "face of the enemy" and they were boring as hell -- something they intentionally did because they felt the Goa'uld were too campy, colorful and over-the-top, so they wanted to go in the complete opposite direction.

Take two with Adria, putting another (prettier) face on the enemy, but I never understood why if the Ori were like the Ancients, a few didn't retake human form to lead the fight instead of creating a figurehead like Adria.
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ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 5th, 2007 11:18 pm (UTC)
I wanted to be menaced by Daniel as Prior. I wanted to worry that maybe he really had been turned.

hehe This may be why I liked this episode. I very much did *not* want not want to worry that Daniel had been turned. I didn't want Daniel to seem menacing or bad in any way. *g* I have an aversion to Evil!Daniel, and I worried that this episode would ruin his character even more than he already has been. (The skeevy Vala scene aside... *g*)

I'm also glad we didn't see more of Adria than we did see. I still really do not like her actress.

I liked the S/J scenes. Those who want to ship them can read their isolation together for what they want. Those of us who prefer to see two adult colleagues/friends/teammates can see it the way we want. Some might want more but nobody comes out hating it.

hehe I guess not. I don't even remember any Jack/Sam scenes in the entire episode. *g* Did they even speak to each to each other? I honestly don't remember anything like that. *g*

I adore CB, and I can't think of any actress that I like more than her at this time, so I'm with you on that part, but I truly cannot stand how she's playing Vala in season 10.

To me this episode was: Jack! Daniel! Hair ruffles! *g*

And that's it. hehe I was glad to have even that much. :-D As I've said elsewhere, even now I would gladly watch The Jack and Daniel show, and I wouldn't care if all they did was sit in a room and talk to each other. *g*
Mish: DeeJ -- Fangirl Bait[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC)
Of course, in the end, we know that Daniel is going to be working on the side of SG-1 -- but it wasn't just Daniel inside his pretty head. Merlin was in there, too. I would have enjoyed seeing MS play both Daniel and Merlin -- and see him playing Merlin the Guy With the Plan. More time with Daniel in that blue getup that looked so yummy on him wouldn't have been so bad. Alas, it was not to be.

You're right about not spending more time than absolutely necessary with Adria onscreen, though. I don't find her at all fun to watch, no matter how gorgeous she is. The character and the acting are too painful.

Yes, indeed, there was a Jack/Sam scene. I like that they gave them time together. Of course, I like it because there weren't poor Amanda making doe eyes at a constipated RDA and there weren't any long, overly drawn out pauses meant to be significant, or any other coy crap. I wanted a more team-y reunion but if it has to be in pairs then so be it.

Hmmm...I really like how CB's playing Vala when her brittle exoskeleton gets cracked and we get to see the real person inside for brief times between her being written as the Intergalactic Sex Kitten. The peeks inside are my favorite bits and I'm thrilled there's an actress of Claudia's caliber playing this role because otherwise I would completely loathe Vala. As it is, I just normally find her annoying and occasionally irksome because of the writers' ignorance she represents. I hate the way she's typically written but I love the way that CB saves her from my Shit List.

How in the world could I have forgotten the hair ruffle?!?!? OMG, yes! I LOVED that bit and I totally forgot about it. I think I sound more negative about the Jack/Daniel parts than I feel. I DID appreciate the effort and there were some moments I quite enjoyed. It's just that I still pine for the old days of easy camaraderie and flowing banter.
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 04:47 am (UTC)
It's just that I still pine for the old days of easy camaraderie and flowing banter.

I don't mind that you didn't like it in the same way that I did. *g* I was not always a huge fan of the banter scenes over the years because, again, I felt that often those were used to avoid having any serious, emotional scenes between the characters. I loved some of the banter scenes, but it depends on the context. I wanted The Serpent's Lair, Need, or even Abyss-level of connection. The only time I can recall where they came close to that in later years was in Beast of Burden and even that sort of glossed over it, really.

In other words, I wanted Supernatural which is nothing but emo porn all the time. *g* I can't love it more than SG-1, because I can't get that emotionally involved with it. *g* Sometimes it makes me sad for what Stargate could have been, though. *g*

I hate the way she's typically written but I love the way that CB saves her from my Shit List.

Nothing could save her from mine because she's...uh...there. *g*

What I really can't stand is the acceptance of her by everyone else. hehe They are all on my shit list more than Vala herself is.

I wrote a bunch of stuff here explaining why I felt that way, but I deleted it, because I thought better of posting it here. It's not that I'm afraid of saying what I really think, but more that I think that probably most people don't want to read it. *g*

Basically, though, I cannot forgive any of them for their acceptance of Vala and I feel I have very good reasons for that *g*, and that means especially Daniel. I also really can't stand the way Daniel treats Vala now because I find it skeevy. I think he treats her like he's her fond uncle and she acts like a child all the time--with everyone. IMHO, instead of allowing her some sort of character-revealing turnabout with some sort of acknowledgment of the things she did and why the SGC and/or SG-1 is now willing to overlook those things, they turned her into a child-like character, except when they need her to kick butt.
superbadgirl: confused genius[personal profile] superbadgirl on May 6th, 2007 12:18 am (UTC)
I, uh, forgot it was on. Whoops.
Mish: DeeJ -- Leather Wiggle (anim)[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
*gasp!* Sacrilege!

I thought you weren't watching any more?
superbadgirl: daniel and jack[personal profile] superbadgirl on May 6th, 2007 01:15 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm not, but I do love Jack and Daniel.
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