05 May 2007 @ 12:20 pm
SG-1 10.14 -- "The Shroud"  
I'm ambivalent about this episode. The premise is cool - I liked the idea at its core - but the execution was flat. I wanted to be menaced by Daniel as Prior. I wanted to worry that maybe he really had been turned. Or worry that Merlin was in charge and perhaps he had overestimated his clever-ness. Alas, that was not to be.

Daniel as Prior was all about the cool makeup. Seriously? In close-ups, I should have been more fascinated by the menace than the white mascara he was wearing. I think partially it was the acting -- it felt as if most everyone but Claudia were phoning in the performances though thankfully RDA was better here than he was in the SGA episode -- and partially it was the structure of the episode. Flashbacks rarely work and they break the flow of a story. This felt like an episode that should build up to a "is he? isn't he?" moment. You need momentum to do that.

It would have been a lot scarier to watch Adria try to turn Daniel. Especially if we don't know that Merlin is protecting him. Or if there's some question of whether Merlin is really more cunning and sly than Adria. Then when SG-1 encounters him, we just don't know. A Prior who fails to mention the Ori death threat? Wasn't that a total give away that he wasn't really a Prior?

I was also annoyed by the team's missing several key opportunities to deal a blow to the Ori. Adria was out cold and not protected. Maybe it would be a good idea to kill her right then and there? Oh no, running off was a much better option. *sigh*

You've sent the weapon through and don't know if it worked? Maybe not closing the wormhole after sending the weapon through is a good idea? Or, if for some reason it can't be maintained, why not dial out to somewhere else? Anywhere else! Or, after the weapon has gone through, disengage and blow the gate in exactly the way that was first planned. Very sloppy plotting.

I didn't totally hate it, it just felt like it should have been...more. It was a great idea. Maybe if they'd made it a two parter they'd have had more time to develop it properly without feeling the need to collapse a bunch of the story into flashbacks? It felt like they crammed a lot into the episode at the expense of the story told.

I like Teal'c as Lie Detector. Good use of his experience in judging who's with him and who's mouthing the words -- although I feel kind of like he's becoming a prop. Need to scare someone and get him to talk? Send in Teal'c; fade to black. Need to determine if Daniel is Daniel? Send in Teal'c; fade to black. That said, I like that he gets to be something beyond the brawn. A substantive role would be even better but after 10 years, I think I can give that hope up as doomed.

I liked the S/J scenes. Those who want to ship them can read their isolation together for what they want. Those of us who prefer to see two adult colleagues/friends/teammates can see it the way we want. Some might want more but nobody comes out hating it. And thankfully, RDA seemed more interested in acting in this episode than he did in the SGA one.

Vala stood out because, as I've come to expect, Claudia Black shows up to work and boy can she act. Vala might not be my favorite character but CB is rapidly becoming my favorite actress. When they write Vala as dropping her boundaries, allowing her true emotions to come out, that's when I think I can make myself forget early Vala and just enjoy her. The Daniel/Vala show does both characters an injustice, I think, because it's a breezy cliché and the writers give in to the easy rather than write. If that makes sense. Daniel is a grouch and Vala is an irrepressible sex kitten. *yawn*

Anyhow, this was an episode that had the bones of greatness but it failed to fulfill its potential.
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nialla: Cut[personal profile] nialla on May 6th, 2007 03:24 am (UTC)
I have no problem saying when I don't like something, which some people tend to view as one of my faults. *g*

There are quite a few fans in every fandom who feel like we should stick to the "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything" policy. Or even the ever-popular, "If you don't like it, why are still watching?"

Just because someone has negative comments doesn't mean they hate something. It means they think it can be better than it is, and in general, most things always have room for improvement. Besides, nitpicking can be fun. *g* But seriously, talking with other fans who point out bits I missed for whatever reason is one of the best parts of being in fandom, IMO.

I think it's indicative of just how much TPTB didn't get it--didn't really understand the appeal of the Daniel character and, really, didn't understand the appeal of the show--what made this show different from all the others.

The show had such a unique concept, one stated right there in the title -- Stargate. Instant travel to other worlds, which was quickly ditched for spaceships, just like every other sci fi show out there. There was a disparate group of individuals who became a team. And there once was a strong female character who, instead of having her boss mentoring her to help her advance in her career, decided time was better spent making doe-eyes any 13-year old girl would be envious of.
Mish: Team -- Old Style (anim)[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 04:38 am (UTC)
There are quite a few fans in every fandom who feel like we should stick to the "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything" policy. Or even the ever-popular, "If you don't like it, why are still watching?"

They obviously can't grasp the concept of the Loyal Opposition. In truth, I bitch about SG-1 and I've had to adjust how I watch it but I only criticize because it has so much potential and I hate to see it fall short. If the show were utter rubbish, I wouldn't bother to tune in or spend a lot of time mentally "fixing" it.
ext_2780: sg-1 daniel[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 05:05 am (UTC)
hehe I felt this way until season 10, really. I tune in now because it's still my show and I feel a strong need to see it through to the end--a sort of misguided loyalty to it, perhaps. *g*

It really was a special and unique show, even when it wasn't. *g* There are some parts I loved like no other show and some parts I hated like no other show. *g* It's all good in the end, though.
Mish: DeeJ -- Eyeglass Flare[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 08:06 pm (UTC)
I think I actually know exactly what you mean. It answered a lot of troubles I had with standard sci fi and was such a fascinating premise. It has always had episodes that were embarrassing but when it hit the mark, it was some of the best content on television.

I am going to miss my team - no matter its composition - when the day comes and there's no more SG-1 to look forward to each week. *sniffle*
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 05:21 am (UTC)
There are quite a few fans in every fandom who feel like we should stick to the "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything" policy.

I actually read in the journal of someone on my flist somewhat recently that, "It's generally accepted in fandom that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." (The quote may not have been exactly that, but it was close.)

I don't remember who posted it, but I do remember it was someone that I like *g*, so I'm not complaining about it (and if whoever wrote it sees this, I don't mean this to be criticism), but it really surprised me. I had never heard such a thing voiced in fandom before and had no idea at all that it was generally accepted, and it really caused me to think about what I like about fandom, because what *I* like are the fierce debates where people believe in something and take a stand and defend it to the death. *g* All while being polite and respectful, of course. *g*

I think it could be that my first *real* foray into hard & heavy fandom was Dawson's Creek at Television without Pity. People there were smart and witty and highly critical of the show we all loved to bits and were extremely fanatical about. Heavy debates were frequent and there were no calls to "be positive" all the time or to talk about "nice topics." Everything was fair game from making fun of the actors to anything at all on the show. No topic was off limits.

All points of view were treated with serious respect, which did not mean someone wouldn't totally poke holes in your argument until there was nothing left of it. That was how respect was shown--someone would take you seriously and engage with you, lots of back & forth and fun! *g*

I loved it. It took me a long time and many hard knocks to realize that the SG-1 fandom wasn't like that at all. *g* The closest I found was probably OS at the time.

Just because someone has negative comments doesn't mean they hate something. It means they think it can be better than it is, and in general, most things always have room for improvement. Besides, nitpicking can be fun. *g* But seriously, talking with other fans who point out bits I missed for whatever reason is one of the best parts of being in fandom, IMO.

It's always the best part of fandom for me. :-)
nialla: Sam and the Writers[personal profile] nialla on May 6th, 2007 04:13 pm (UTC)
"It's generally accepted in fandom that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Well, there's some truth to that. Say if I don't like S/J, I'm not going to go to a S/J forum or post in a S/J fan's journal about how awful S/J is for both characters. Whatever stirs your coffee, ya know? I have seen anti-slash folks go into slash-friendly forums just to expound upon the evils of slash though.

But my respect for "private spaces" doesn't mean that I won't keep quiet about it in general discussion of the show. I'm just not a believer in "cheerleader" forums. No show is perfect, and if you can only say nice things, there's only so much you can talk about. The key is to discuss the show -- the writing, the acting, etc. -- and not the fan personalities involved in the discussion.
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)
I respect private spaces, but to me that's not the same as being expected to say *only* nice things all the time, and most people seem to define "nice" as "positive."

What you describe is just trolling, IMHO. I think a few people have done that accidentally in various places where I've been in, and if it's honest, most people are respectful, but I don't really understand the reasoning behind those who do it deliberately, except that maybe it's the thrill of causing a furor or upsetting people.

I usually would read a place for a while before posting anyway, just to get a feel for the general tone and what's acceptable and what's not, what people usually talk about, etc.

OTOH, in an open forum in a general discussion of the show, I'd prefer to say what I really think. *g* I think twice about it now in a lot of places, mainly because I don't want to be the cause of unhappiness anywhere, but I actually don't really go to forums any more, for the most part.

I think LiveJournal is completely different from a privately-owned public forum, because it's not really "public" even if it is public. *g* It's a much more personal space.

It doesn't bother me at all if people come to my journal and disagree with me--usually! *g* A lot of people don't like that, though, so I take that into account, depending on whose journal it is. *g*

I'm just not a believer in "cheerleader" forums.

I believe they exist (*g* sorry, couldn't resist *g*), but I feel rather uncomfortable in that environment. *g*

On the other hand, even I can't always take an extreme constant stream of negativism. I don't begrudge it at all and I prefer an honest exchange, but there was one forum where it was too much even for me, and I *like* hearing all points of view and even speculating and worrying about what might come next. That's part of the "fun stuff" for me. There are some shows that I take more lightly, though, and I don't necessarily want to know about every horrible possibility that *might* happen. hehe

No show is perfect, and if you can only say nice things, there's only so much you can talk about.

That's true, and for me it gets very boring, very quickly.

The key is to discuss the show -- the writing, the acting, etc. -- and not the fan personalities involved in the discussion.

Exactly.

I apologize, [livejournal.com profile] hsapiens, for getting so very far off topic! *g*
Mish: Team -- Old Style (anim)[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 08:08 pm (UTC)
No, no, no! Don't you dare apologize to me! I'm reading the conversation, commenting when I have something to add, and totally loving it. Maybe some people get their panties in a wad because they can't dictate exactly how a thread goes when it's in "their" LJ but I'm not one of them.

I'm loving this!
ext_2780: sg-1 j/d just like that - by lyraeinne[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
Yay! *g* I was just rambling on and on. *g* I tend to get off topic so easily. *g* I can't even recall how we got on this topic.