05 May 2007 @ 12:20 pm
SG-1 10.14 -- "The Shroud"  
I'm ambivalent about this episode. The premise is cool - I liked the idea at its core - but the execution was flat. I wanted to be menaced by Daniel as Prior. I wanted to worry that maybe he really had been turned. Or worry that Merlin was in charge and perhaps he had overestimated his clever-ness. Alas, that was not to be.

Daniel as Prior was all about the cool makeup. Seriously? In close-ups, I should have been more fascinated by the menace than the white mascara he was wearing. I think partially it was the acting -- it felt as if most everyone but Claudia were phoning in the performances though thankfully RDA was better here than he was in the SGA episode -- and partially it was the structure of the episode. Flashbacks rarely work and they break the flow of a story. This felt like an episode that should build up to a "is he? isn't he?" moment. You need momentum to do that.

It would have been a lot scarier to watch Adria try to turn Daniel. Especially if we don't know that Merlin is protecting him. Or if there's some question of whether Merlin is really more cunning and sly than Adria. Then when SG-1 encounters him, we just don't know. A Prior who fails to mention the Ori death threat? Wasn't that a total give away that he wasn't really a Prior?

I was also annoyed by the team's missing several key opportunities to deal a blow to the Ori. Adria was out cold and not protected. Maybe it would be a good idea to kill her right then and there? Oh no, running off was a much better option. *sigh*

You've sent the weapon through and don't know if it worked? Maybe not closing the wormhole after sending the weapon through is a good idea? Or, if for some reason it can't be maintained, why not dial out to somewhere else? Anywhere else! Or, after the weapon has gone through, disengage and blow the gate in exactly the way that was first planned. Very sloppy plotting.

I didn't totally hate it, it just felt like it should have been...more. It was a great idea. Maybe if they'd made it a two parter they'd have had more time to develop it properly without feeling the need to collapse a bunch of the story into flashbacks? It felt like they crammed a lot into the episode at the expense of the story told.

I like Teal'c as Lie Detector. Good use of his experience in judging who's with him and who's mouthing the words -- although I feel kind of like he's becoming a prop. Need to scare someone and get him to talk? Send in Teal'c; fade to black. Need to determine if Daniel is Daniel? Send in Teal'c; fade to black. That said, I like that he gets to be something beyond the brawn. A substantive role would be even better but after 10 years, I think I can give that hope up as doomed.

I liked the S/J scenes. Those who want to ship them can read their isolation together for what they want. Those of us who prefer to see two adult colleagues/friends/teammates can see it the way we want. Some might want more but nobody comes out hating it. And thankfully, RDA seemed more interested in acting in this episode than he did in the SGA one.

Vala stood out because, as I've come to expect, Claudia Black shows up to work and boy can she act. Vala might not be my favorite character but CB is rapidly becoming my favorite actress. When they write Vala as dropping her boundaries, allowing her true emotions to come out, that's when I think I can make myself forget early Vala and just enjoy her. The Daniel/Vala show does both characters an injustice, I think, because it's a breezy cliché and the writers give in to the easy rather than write. If that makes sense. Daniel is a grouch and Vala is an irrepressible sex kitten. *yawn*

Anyhow, this was an episode that had the bones of greatness but it failed to fulfill its potential.
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Mish: DeeJ --  Nekkid[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 12:29 am (UTC)
gave us a flag scene instead of any type of meaningful interaction--not only between Jack and Daniel, but between Daniel and everyone else.

Hey now, don't you go knocking the flag scene! There was no reason we couldn't have had BOTH the gratuitous nekkid bits AND meaningful interaction. ;-)

I'm SO with you on the amnesia, though. That's actually one of my favorite fanfic cliches because it gives you a chance to strip a character of baggage and get who he is down deep inside. Their just tossing it aside and trotting it out (or conveniently forgetting about it) at will annoyed me to no end. I wanted to see some lingering effects, too, from being ascended. It was a great chance in canon to establish some baseline Daniel.
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 02:45 am (UTC)
Hey now, don't you go knocking the flag scene! There was no reason we couldn't have had BOTH the gratuitous nekkid bits AND meaningful interaction. ;-)

I think that flag scene was indicative of how TPTB of this show just totally did not get it. I loved that scene. *g* I'm just saying... They're view of Daniel at that point was "beefcake for the ladies" or something, and maybe they were even pandering to the slashers a bit; I don't know. Either way, I would have traded it for even one better scene with a little substance--a welcome home for Daniel, some emotion expressed... I thought that whole sequence was pretty poorly done as far as that goes.

You're right that we *could* have had both, but we didn't. I felt the same way about the supposed UST between Jack and Sam and even the whole Jack & Daniel thing. I think the show *could* have had it all, J/S UST for the shippers, a few serious friendship scenes between Jack and Daniel (because I'd prefer that and it's all about me--I'm not the hugest fan of the silly banter), and lots of teaminess and friendship between all. Instead, they felt like they had to push one point of view and squash the others for reasons unknown to mankind. *g*
nialla: Cut[personal profile] nialla on May 6th, 2007 03:06 am (UTC)
Daniel at that point was "beefcake for the ladies"

I think that was proven back when Shanks left and TPTB made comments about they were going to have a new hunk on the show, as if that was the only thing fans liked about Daniel.
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)
hehe Yes! But I meant in that scene in particular. I think they thought everyone would love that scene so much, and some of us did, but I also saw a lot of complaints about it for the reasons I didn't like it (even though I liked it *g*).

When I first loved Daniel, I did not even think he was cute or even particularly good looking. I liked the long-hair, shaggy look and the glasses, but it was his personality that I loved. When I first got a glimpse of what he looked like under all that hair (Fire & Water), my first thought wasn't, "Oh my, he's so cute!" It was more: "That's not Daniel!" *g* I still didn't think he was all that good looking. It actually took a while for me to totally get that part of Daniel, but I was already in love with the character for other reasons.
Mish: DeeJ -- Followed Me Home[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 04:28 am (UTC)
Despite the fact that I have since come to appreciate the Shanks in all his glory, I didn't first see Daniel and think, "Whoa! Babe!" I was smitten with him for more intellectual reasons but I'll never be sorry that MS is such a hunk.

Although, if he and CJ weren't, I could have more stopped watching the show before I found my Zen place of Pretty Worship.
Mish: DeeJ -- Followed Me Home[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 04:35 am (UTC)
Particularly laughable since they weren't even trying to take advantage of his hunkiness then. He didn't discover clothing his size and muscle shirts until post-descension. ;-)
nialla: Cut[personal profile] nialla on May 6th, 2007 04:03 pm (UTC)
They weren't trying to take advantage of his hunkiness then, but they seemed to assume that the people so upset over the departure of Daniel were just fangirls who thought he was hot. They really seemed to think just putting another "hunk" on the show would be sufficient.

Like many others have said, Daniel wasn't "hot" for the sake of his looks alone. I fell for his brains first, the pretty packaging was just an extra.
Mish: DeeJ --  Nekkid[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 04:24 am (UTC)
I don't disagree. Truthfully, I stopped paying too much attention to a lot of things that I'd really LIKE to see from this show because I gave up. I still watch for the eye candy and sometimes I get sucked into a plot or in the potential that the episode showed. But mostly, I'm here for the pretty.

I think they mostly fail to get that Daniel's appeal goes beyond his physical beauty. Not to underestimate just how attractive MS is and how much the camera loves him, but he wasn't the first Daniel and I find that Daniel just as compelling. Daniel's the misunderstood geek, the lover of knowledge, the explorer, the one who appeals to our better natures.

Some of the S/J shippers are very, very loud -- and for all I know they may even be a majority of the fandom. Not that that's a good reason to choose the course the writers did because all they did was give every fan of every stripe a reason to be unhappy.
ext_2780[identity profile] aizjanika.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 05:04 am (UTC)
When I was first watching the show all by my lonesome, I didn't even notice the J/S ship, for the most part. I didn't see it as ship when I did notice it either. *g* I loved the teaminess of the show and especially the Jack & Daniel friendship, which to me was the show.

I know the shippers were a very vocal part of fandom, but I think they could have had the ship on the show without *also* destroying most of the other relationships on the show, including the teaminess, in order to have that ship. That's what I meant. I've seen other shows do it. *g* People can actually interact with more than one person. There can be moments between characters that don't have to take away from their other relationships. I wouldn't have cared a bit if they hadn't taken anything away from the show in order to add in the ship.

I think they mostly fail to get that Daniel's appeal goes beyond his physical beauty. Not to underestimate just how attractive MS is and how much the camera loves him, but he wasn't the first Daniel and I find that Daniel just as compelling. Daniel's the misunderstood geek, the lover of knowledge, the explorer, the one who appeals to our better natures.

Exactly. hehe I've since come to appreciate all that MS is--including his physical attractiveness, but that's not why I loved Daniel at first.
Mish: Sam -- Nishta Junkie[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2007 08:03 pm (UTC)
I think they could have had the ship on the show without *also* destroying most of the other relationships on the show, including the teaminess, in order to have that ship

I do think it would have been less polarizing if the rise in 'ship hadn't been concurrent with the fall in teaminess and the J/D friendship. Personally, I still dislike what they did to Sam's character under the guise of 'ship so I think I'd still dislike it but maybe I wouldn't be as allergic to even a whiff of it? Interesting to ponder.