25 September 2006 @ 04:20 pm
Looking for honest, constructive opinions  
I'm looking for a community that offers brutally honest feedback on icons with an eye towards helping a person improve. I've reached a plateau and a sameness to my icons; I'd like to go further. I ask for constructive criticism on my icon posts, but I think people are too afraid I'll get pissy or that they'll hurt my feelings or something. The comments I get are the, "These are great!/I like ## and am snagging!" variety. I'm not complaining - they're certainly good for the ego - but I need critical feedback to fuel improvement.

Anyone know of any communities like this? Have you gotten similar help? Or is this more like writing and one gets an "icon beta" to help? [livejournal.com profile] jalabert is my current icon beta but she limits her input (mostly) to the icons I make for her. More Voices = More Viewpoints To Consider.

Any other suggestions? I've friended people whose icons I like and stuck them in a filter, "Inspiration," to make it easier to look at examples I like. I spend time trawling fandoms, looking for interesting icons. I have gone through innumerable tutorials, etc. If you've got another cool idea for spurring creativity, please feel free to share. I feel as if text and cropping are especially weak points for me. Maybe I have others I'm blind to? I won't know until someone points it out to me. :)

And yeah, I should be writing up a "here's what I did on vacation" post. That's on my To Do List, as well.
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[identity profile] msjudi.livejournal.com on September 26th, 2006 06:51 am (UTC)
I may have been the wrong person after all to talk to you about these icons, not because I don't think the imagery is beautiful and well-rendered, but because, with the notable exception of Calvin, I have no idea who any of these people are, nor what their particular icons might mean LOL

So, in light of that, I will say that the imagery IS beautifully rendered, the subject matter- while baffling to a pop culture noob like me- is probably exceedingly appropriate to your target audience, and they are correct, they are lovely icons. I particularly love the Calvin icon, both because I am a huge fan, but also because I think little Calvin commenting on "The Gay Agenda" is something his author might have done, himself, given the opportunity ;)

The "Big Tool" icon is cute, tho I have to say I had to study it for a moment to make out what it actually was. Again, though, I suspect that the members of that fandom will get it right away ;) The icon on the far right top row is lovely. And is that Godzilla? What does the Chinese text say and why is he climbing the icon from both sides? ;)

I wish I understood them better. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful :(
Mish: Thor -- Party Man[identity profile] hsapiens.livejournal.com on September 26th, 2006 02:58 pm (UTC)
I almost said something about context being important to grokking an icon. The images are so small that they frequently require a shared cultural background to derive meaning from them. I've seen icons for fandoms I know nothing about and even the best of them tend to leave me flat. I didn't say anything, though, because one of my complaints about my work is the composition and text, which I think one can have an opinion about without knowing the fandom.

My favorite art form is the portrait and I think that's what I gravitate to in cropping pics. Another iconner agreed with me that I tend to go for the tight, extremely up-close view -- and textless. Partly, I think it's old eyes with a long history of myopia wanting everything crystal clear and partly I think it's not knowing what to do differently.

while baffling to a pop culture noob like me

Hee - I'm not certain that Sci Fi will ever be pop culture if it isn't Star Wars but I know precisely what you mean. It was why, in fact, I threw in the icon on the bottom row labelled, "Ben." Nobody will get the context for it because Ben is an original character created by [livejournal.com profile] jalabert. I was hoping to offer enough icons that were context-free so that not every icon would speak to those who share my brand of geek-itude.

I particularly love the Calvin icon

I really wish Watterson were still drawing C&H. *sigh* For me, the golden days of comics were The Far Side, C&H, and Bloom County. I wasn't certain Watterson would have touched a political hot button but I loved using the exaggerated horror of the innocence represented by Calvin to comment on the stupidity of the whole "we're under siege" mentality. It's also a reference to the idea of "we have to be taught to hate."

The "Big Tool" icon is cute, tho I have to say I had to study it for a moment to make out what it actually was.

It was a moment that stood out to me visually from nine years of the show and it's one of the first icons I made because I sought out the image to icon while working my way through [livejournal.com profile] awmpdotnet's brilliant Pop Art on Photoshop series. I can totally see, though, that the non-Stargate fan would not recognize that as our studly alien ally shooting the cannon off of a downed Glider. ;-) Otherwise, as [livejournal.com profile] mcroft intimated one time, it looks like a much more suggestive icon than I ever saw it as.

And is that Godzilla? What does the Chinese text say and why is he climbing the icon from both sides? ;)

Yes! It is Godzilla. [livejournal.com profile] jalabert is a HUGE fan of G and she asked me to make her some G icons when I first started. I threw that icon in because it's as close as I come to, "meaning divorced from context and meant to please solely by its looks" in an icon. The cap itself was boring so I had to use composition and color. I made G a plastic-y green (he was gray in the cap) as a salute to the often cheesy nature of early G movies, fer instance.

I wish I knew what the Chinese says. That was a total compromise because what I really wanted was a Japanese character that I wish I knew what it said. After all, Godzilla is Japanese! ;) Seriously, it's there solely for atmosphere and not because there's any meaning. The two-sided thing was my playing with image repetition to emphasize a point - in this case his looooong tail. Since Chinese art tradition is the closest I get to Japanese art, I also tried to have each non-written element continue beyond the edge of the icon -- the implication is that this is a window on the world and does not contain it. Yadda. It sounds pretentious now that I'm typing it but it wasn't meant that way. It was my trying to capture a style.

I wish I understood them better. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful :(

Awww. *hugs* You're more helpful than you know. Just going through and explaining the icons in response to your comments made me realize that I try to pack a LOT of meaning into an icon; that meaning is typically visible to just me. I haven't incorporated as much meaning of late and that could be the true source of my discontent. It's something for me to think - and ramble on and on - about. :)